The drop-bang thing only happened at a very narrow event window, it was only once the Internet doom-preachers figured out that narrow window and did it over and over online did it appear to be a thing. Sig adapted and changed the pistol sufficiently to prevent even that issue. All those customers who paid $1600 now had a limited function paper weight. I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. Upgrades are for things that didnt work right in the first place. Thats fine. Google Keith Slatowski, is he lying also? Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The bullet struck a soldier in the leg. Yes, its reliable, but no more so than most other major brands well known models. in Capitalvania. You clanging a bell that went silent years ago. Two, the plunger may have a propensity to remain partially raised, or staged, instead of returning fully to its secure position, lessening the energy necessary to move it and thus allowing less effort to do so. It has an unsafe takedown procedure that requires you to pull the trigger to get the slide off. Harrison stated that, I have not seen enough to convince me that the upgraded version is dangerous., When ABCs David Scott asked Harrison if its a mystery whats going wrong with the updated version though Harrison had just stated the upgraded pistol isnt dangerous Harrison said, I do not have an explanation for why the updated version should have complaints from trained individuals. Im reading about a moron who wraps a loaded firearm in a cloth and stuff it in a gym bag, and other dumb behavior that tells me the weapon isnt the problem but the user. About $300. 2. This leads me to conclude that the problem is not the gear but the moron using it. Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! Infact you have to pay shipping cost to get that fixed even though its their screw up. D. It alleges that Walter Collette, Jr., a police officer with the Somerville (Mass.) Hes talking about trial lawyers recruiting clients whove experienced negligent discharges with P320s and suing the gun manufacturer. At rest, cocked, it may very well have enough oomph to set some primers off. The modular SIG P320 is among the most widely-owned handguns on the planet. And have the dropping 320 go off? I would trust a hungry lion on the Serengeti plains of Africa more than I would a C.E.O. Zero in the affirmative. That is exactly why all civilized countries have Government Agencies that monitor companies that have a callus disregard for human life and are only interested in the quick buck. in 2021," Bagnell said of the overall scope of the concern . He probably had a double until it was over. Dont care for them, not my jam. As for the Serpa holster, this is a bunch of internet echo chamber BS that originated with Obama-era federal agencies putting a bad light on a good product in order to sway public opinion and thus damage the manufacturers bottom line. That took a lot. My elderly aunt drove her Volvo into a parked car, and the yard behind it, and the house behind that, while she was pressing the brake as hard as she could. Strangely the car kept accelerating, almost as if she were flooring the gas pedal. Some of the plaintiffs claim the pistol can fire without the trigger even being touched. In this version, Bridge City Officer Brittany Hilton tells her story of what she says happened when her P320 discharged as she was carrying it in her purse in what appears to be a SERPA holster (which has had its own problems, but thats another story). Second, every gun maker has made lemons in the past. So far I have only heard of one instance (post fix) where there was an ND and the post mortem on the gun demonstrating a mechanical failure. 19 Feb 2021 Military.com | By Matthew Cox A former U.S. Marine and federal agent has filed a $10 million lawsuit against Sig Sauer Inc. alleging that his holstered Sig P320 -- a pistol. Right up front, the use of an ill-fitting/improper-for-the-gun holster instantly negates any idea of an unintended discharge being the fault of the design. how do I get one for my P320? Glock is being sued too, because once loaded and a round is chambered, it also has a much lighter trigger than a DA/SA. Training and experience are not a talisman that magically prevents accidents. The guys at the LGS saw only one broken striker but it confirmed what the manager who had the P320 go off and my thoughts. These officers are not gunfighters. Ditto; that's what i was getting at earlier Bear007 Custom Aug 25, 2021 #18 There are a few examples, I admitS&Ws M&P from around 2014 were near junk and I wouldnt have bothered to own one as a trotline weight, but apparently S&W had righted that ship since then. is the manual safety a kit you add? Were not the only ones who have noticed the lawsuits. Using an example from the first prong, we legitimately fault the user who shot himself in the palm, rightfully asking why in the WORLD his palm was in front of the muzzle when he set the gun down. I bought a P320 and went through the voluntary upgrade. It has been flawless so far. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. The cheap seats were $100-$200 and you got to watch Wrath of Khan with Shatner. They admitted their problem and fixed it. Picard if Im limited to NCC-1701. I wish nothing bad on anyone carrying regardless of brand. Instead we see a Sig that is ran by Mr. Cohen of Kimber fame have repeated quality and product development failures. Golly didnt Sig catch he!! A shame but then no one was hurt. That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. The best take on this subject is by the author himself: this is about slime lawyers looking to build a national narrative and get a few wins in, so they can more easily get the next win and the next one, the next one and so on. A fine of up to $10,000. Circumstances that explained those un-commanded discharges.. Glocks biggest problem is they havent innovated since 1985. At least the Lion roars when he is hungry, the C.E.O smiles at you and when you turn your back he puts a knife right into it. Its not happening on your person without some catastrophic event. For instance theres Lieutenant Thomas Ahern who was was performing a routine function (test) of his P320 when it fired at him without any force towards the trigger, resulting in the bullet impacting his left thigh.. When Villani was asked for his opinion of SIG Sauer, he said, I carry SIGs, I own SIGs, I just dont own a 320nor would I ever. When Scott asked Villani what he found when he took a P320 apart, he said, I thought Wow, they need to do their homework, they need to fix this gun.. He wasnt aware of it until contacted earlier this week by CBC News and suggested it was relevant in ongoing litigation in the U.S. We look forward to reviewing the incident in discovery in the United States, he said Friday. There used to be a problem, which is why Sig fixed it. (c) If conduct constituting an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under another . 2. You did get to sit and watch it with him, which leads to a serious question. The linkage isnt, but the way the striker leg and sear face mate up, the two materials being MIM castings, the small camming action, etc. Folks disagree on brands. Capitol Police Officers Explanation for Shooting and Killing Ashli Babbitt Is Riddled With Problems, The City of Wichita Raked In Almost $200,000 Selling Seized Guns in the Last Five Years, State Judge Issues Order Blocking Enforcement of Illinois Firearms Ban Act Statewide, Federal Judge Grants Injunction Blocking Enforcement of ATFs Frame or Receiver Rule, Illinois Rep. Bob Morgan: Anything Stamped M&P is a Weapon of War, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/, https://sofrep.com/news/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu6WsSQ2_g, https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan. Too Many Accidents And they think hey have an actual legit lawsuit on their hands? . https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/. The Glocks lack of a manual safety has caused untold thousands of needless cripplings and death. ALL OF THEM. Both companies, instead, took to pro-gun industry forums to offer a rebuttal, giving no opportunity to answer questions. Its pathetic how often these legal stunts work. I guess none got her the attention she wanted and a national coverage so she went in for the bang. I also have a manual safety. He takes your wallet and car and leaves the SIG. Sig P320 is just one of many pistols with Safety related. While good firearms training and practices among law enforcement officers is certainly the case much of the time, weve seen far too many instances over the years of un-safe or downright dangerous practices by allegedly highly trained individuals to apply that kind of blanket endorsement to all cops or alphabet agency employees. Then either the gun somehow managed to magically clear both the broken tab and foreign body to continue to operate. No the devil went down to Georgia to learn how to play a fiddle. By hoping Sig gets taken down for the P320, theyre actually setting up their own pet brand to be the next on the chopping block. Whats this silly BS? and youve gotten this far reading our thread. A fellow kept his DA revolver in the desk. The probable reason that some folks are saying that the P320 is unsafe is that there was a lawsuit filed in federal court in July of 2020 (Guay v. Sig Sauer) alleging that the 320 fired "un-commanded" without a trigger pull while in a holster. Theres still the P938 extractors snapping they refuse to acknowledge. Quit blaming cops or the military, these guns have a serious problem. ABC ran their story on the P320 twice, but with some significant differences between the two reports. Its also interesting that theres apparently no corresponding flood of civilian lawsuits against SIG with similar claims of guns going off, even though the public owns far more P320s than do law enforcement agencies. And people have a way of looking for ways to deflect blame for those discharges, especially when they stand to lose their job as a result. This gun had been voluntary upgraded. The Moron engineer who decided to put that on the Glock should have been hung by his dirty balls. Thats SIGs term for a recall. To give you an example of early self-propelled lawn mowers if you lost your grip on the handles the mower would not shut off and it would take off on its own right down the street all by itself. Post again when you buy a real gun that you can defend yourself with. With the 320, the striker is in full-cock position, and held there through the operation of the trigger sear and the positive striker-blocking safety. Not sure why it wont let me reply to you, but Ill reply to myself in the hope youll get it. That being the case, the 320 is a cocked and locked striker-fired gun; However, it only has two safeties, unlike, say, a 1911, which has four: An inertial firing pin, a positive firing-pin locking safety, a manual sear-locking/blocking safety, and a trigger-bar-blocking grip safety. The use of a modified [SIG] P226 holster created an unsafe condition by allowing a foreign object to enter the holster, causing the unintended discharge.. It sure wasnt her fault though, because she was flooring the. And then theres Gunter Walker, a civilian, who says his P320 fired on its ownwhen he placed the weapon down on his nightstand, shooting him through the palm of his left hand.. You need to deliberately thumb the Pythons hammer back to get that trigger pull, each and every time. Weird how that might happen. No picture for me. The pistol is popular with commercial gun owners and law enforcement south of the border. The suit mirrors lawsuits filed across the country involving the semi-automatic gun known as the P320. Yaaay! I agree. But then Im not a federal LE flunky who cant keep my booger hook off the bang switch, either. A plastic gun that has a tendency to go off by itself. If this were a car, a phone, a refrigerator, it would have been recalled long ago. Mine is very accurate. Then without any extra effort, the normal trigger pull caused the tab on the drop safety to sheer off. Either one could have been a gun or a Barbie. I didnt even touch it! Thread starter ut755ln; Start date Oct 19, 2022; Forums. Sigs are crap! Glock's and Sig P320 are all designated as Double-Action-Only fire control mechanisms. You have entered an incorrect email address! Sig, take this firearm off the market, and recall. He said hes a gun owner and a concealed carry permit holder. Theyve gotten tons of contracts because the gun is cheap, cheap, cheap to make. Lastly, ship-wise I have to go with the TMP-era refit Enterprise, regardless of Captain. Having it as the ONLY trigger pull the weapon has seems (to me) clearly dangerous. If it was so bad, why did the US Marines, who had the Glock, drop it in favor of the carry sized P320, the M18? Whats the difference between a $600 Sig and a $300 Taurus? It doesnt matter whether SIG is at fault or not. Im not even sure I would do that with my 92 or something else that can be both decocked and locked. Maybe in South America a poor military did, but thatd be about it. PDs are dropping them from contracts. On Nov. 5, 2020, a recently-purchased SIG Sauer P320 pistol went off unexpectedly at a training range in Dwyer Hill, outside of Ottawa. The problem with Sig is with their polymer pistols. Canadian Special Forces Command has not said what caused the gun to go off unexpectedly, but the company said a conclusion has been reached. He said there has to be something wrong with the gun if this is happening to individuals with this amount of training, this amount of skill.. Sig P320 discharge while holstered. So are dumb(or arrogant) cops. ! while being accompanied by some form of obvious stupidity like putting an unholstered gun in a gym bag with other stuff. Personally they should have gone with the Glock, its not for me but is a proven gun. At least the Gorilla is still evolving while the Far Right proved to be an evolutionary dead end, one of natures mistakes. Before the madness SIGS were expensive. He is acting as a consultant in the Collette suit that was filed last week. Hilton has filed a $15 million lawsuit alleging the P320 has a serious design and manufacturing flaw. The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. Theyve now come to the attention of the legacy media. Hes like the arrogant star QB on your favorite football teamyeah, you would never want to spend a weekend with him at the lake cabin, but your franchise would be little to nothing without him. Note that Harrisons comment about these claims possibly being the result of legal momentum were edited out of the longer Nightline version of the report. The design was incorporated from Bruce Grays trigger kit around the time of the original drop safety fix. Without a loser pays tort system, such abuse will go on and on. Fourth, no one takes Taurus seriously. TTAG talked to SIG Sauer about the P320 suits and the ABC reports. It was one of the first ones and was sent back as a voluntary upgrade. In 2021 you would think a company would understand MIM metallurgy. And I suspect at end of day this recent P320 one will be identified as a negligent discharge or from weapons from 2017 where owners failed to . This subject has two prongs; One is the negligence of those who have shot themselves with 320s through violations of Rule 2, the other the possible mechanical design failing of the gun. Cars have so many electronics these days, who knows what could have gone wrong! Then after just three years without telling anyone they stopped all production including extra parts. I love when people call law enforcement officers highly trained. Most dont get more training than what they had in the academy unless they are getting paid time to train, or are going for something speciality such as S.W.A.T. Why you and I are arguing over a gun that neither owns or will own, The HK VP70 was made in 1970 when Gaston Glock was making curtain rods. abprototype.com can add the manual safety as well as add the notches in the grip frame. Profits over reliability and you end up with junk. That wont last for long, the P320 (M17 AND M18) are already failing in the field. The clearest memory I have about the many people experiencing post-upgrade discharges is a cop who set his P320 on a table, and several seconds after letting go, IT DISCHARGED ON ITS OWN! Jeff Bagnell, a lawyer in Westport, Conn., who has litigated 10 cases, mostly by commercial gun owners, related to SIG P320 misfires across several U.S. states, took note of the accident involving the Canadian special forces soldier. The one officer in the ABC story had it wrapped in a rag in his gym bag? None of the current lawsuits appear to be in any way related to the now-fixed drop safety issue and most, if not all of the allegations seem to involve upgraded pistols or those produced after the drop safety problem was identified by SIG. And on the flip side of the coin is the decades of denial by Remington on the 700 which Ive seen firsthand. The fact that Shatner was doing Wrath of Kahn meet and greets at 90 years old kind of soured me. They mandate more discharges, with more property damage, more injuries, and more deaths. I own Serpa holsters in multiple configurations (1911, Beretta 96, H&K, Springfield, etc) for most of the time theyve been around and I NEVER had an ND. Hey, Im glad theres somethings we agree on! It offers the quality and reliability of Sig Sauer, with a tried and true striker system and ingenious features that make it a novel gun. If the military was going to go cheap then they should have thrown Taurus into the mix.
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