clarity/dont want to lieas far as experiences at churche sin regards to Tithing: I practiced tithing at former Non-Den churchPAastor explained tithing, giving & offering I think & wa sclear not mandatory but reallywhy tenth onlyactual giving by restricting only seemed to be what I learned from thatits all His. It is my conviction that it is not possible to trace an unbroken line of Baptist churches from Christ until today. (See also Gal. Surely, no church that practiced false doctrine, as many of these groups did, can in truth be called a Baptist church. Or second, you could be referring to those who held to Baptist beliefs and were called by the name Baptist. The KJV is a wonderful translation and very valid for its time, and you, like many others love it for its beautiful shakesperean english. The powertrip, which is all Ill call it, was even noticed to be among some of the laypersons who were ushers, or just people who knew people. Pedophiles hide in dark corners. The Calvinistic or Particular Baptists were a different group and believed in limited atonement in which only the elect could be saved. As a matter of fact, you cannot be a member of a Calvary Chapel. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. The Scripture: It is entirely inerrant and sufficient for all Christian life. Christians under the grace economy give out thankfulness to God for what Christ has done for them, without any compulsion. But we need YOUR help to make this project successful! I humbly asked a question. God alone has that authority and He in the person of the Holy Spirit brings conviction and salvation to those who in simple faith believe. The New Testament is the authority in all matters of faith and practice. I do dislike what seems to be human effort in trying to do what only the Spirit of God can do through a clear presentation of the word of God. Follow us on Pinterest: 14) before the Lord Jesus announced the coming establishment of the ekklesia. (Matt 16:18). However, let no one think little of the name of Baptist for it is the name that most has identified those individuals and churches who have uncompromisingly stood on the Word of God. Dress codes are not the problems. , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277) Under the Roman Catholic influence these missionary centers diverged into monasticism. My mother is divorced, as are a few others in the congregation. I would like to hear further explanation of the following: While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. The Bible and only the Bible reveals to men how to have their sins forgiven and have everlasting life and heaven. The transformation God is making in our lives makes us stand out. For an example there is Patrick of Ireland. Tithing is not for God. Thus, the name independent means that the church patterns itself after the New Testament example and stands alone under the authority of the Bible. My responsibility is to preach the Word. Two champions of religious liberty were the Virginians Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry. Even some TV evangelists have referred to themselves as being fundamentalist. 1. For my part, I will continue to preach the Gospel and to teach the Word faithfully. The validity of a church as being a true Biblical New Testament church does not rest in it ability to show an unbroken line of succession from the time of Christ. The list is endless. The most important center of early Baptist churches was around Philadelphia, the city of brotherly love. In 1684, Thomas Dungan started a church at Cold Springs, New York which lasted until 1702. The best illustration of this point can be made this way. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.. What possible value is there in appealing to a supposed unbroken line of Baptist churches as a churchs authority. Henry Jacob. One young lady began attending a non IFB Baptist church. Not one Baptist church can show in its history a direct succession from the Anabaptists. A logical fallacy stands alone whether in or out of context. Thats all. Alsoas in regargds to whom Jesus spoke to (they were Phairsees)I dont think that matters, the Phairsee just happened to be the ones constantlty questioning & troubling Himas well as were the Religious Leaders of that day whom example was probally looked at by others to follow (note Jesus: Do the things that they teach, Jesus said, But do not do the things that they do). . Those who put in the effort will be greatly rewarded while those who neglect it do harm to their own souls. Pastors Deserve Double Salary? He is only one of many such godly men who would not compromise the truth. Jesus Peace, Joy, and Guidance be with us all. I do however disagree with anyone mandating that a tenth should go to them & to the church as they see fit only (like giving some to other Christiann Ministries, some to local churche , etc) or that even mandates a tithe. I hope Im helping him in his faith journey. People have a tendency to attempt to conceal their sin. The church I left about 2 years ago had very nasty tracts in the back of the church that said horrible things about other translations, calling them perversions and so forth and actually saying outright lies about other translations. @greg My sons group will be performing on the Indie stage at 10:00 am on July 1. History is clear there is no other denomination that has so loved and been faithful to Gods Word as has the Baptists. In fact the Roman Church can only trace its history back to 313 AD when the Roman Emperor Constantine made Christianity a legal religion. I do hope that your eyes will be opened up soon because keeping the law will not grant you entrance into heaven. Not all IFB churches are this way. That saintly old woman in the pew may be depending upon her infant baptism to get her to heaven. The cause is clear. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man . In this sense, any church which founds itself strictly on the New Testament teachings, is a true and Biblical church, even if it existed in time, only yesterday. Hello, Have been over twenty years, and have attended probably ten or more IFB churches here in Ohio and elsewhere, and I have never met an IFB pastor who didnt include scriptures from the Old Testament as well as the New Testament, in his sermons. Dont misunderstand, I believe we are to preach and testify, but, from what I understand no ones blood will be on my hands if they wind up in Hell. Note..I, no particular denomination. Baptist also believe the Bible interprets itself, and that Christ is the only head of the church. I have transferred schools and since then Ive had to find a new church. He tells us all the time he can tell we are believers because we are different in how we treat him and others in our neighborhood. I really have an issue with this point. 3:8-13) are appointed from the local congregation and approved by the majority vote. Christians should be recognized by their love for Jesus and one another. These true Baptists added the adjectives Fundamental and Independent to their name in order that they not be identified with the false practices and teaching of the doctrinally unsound churches using the Baptist name. 3:1-16) However, some Independent Baptist churches do not accept that the word "officer" is the proper biblical term to be used and particularly does not apply to deacons. Greg, They called themselves Baptists because that was the best name they could choose to describe what they believed and the name identified them a Bible believing people. May The Lord bless us, and keep us: The Lord make his face shine upon us, and be gracious unto us: The Lord lift up his countenance upon us, and give us peace. Fundamental Independent Baptists church will remain separate from these churches as well as other Baptists groups who participate with the unscriptural churches. This is the true heritage the Fundamental Baptists holds dear, there have always been assemblies which submitted themselves only to the sole authority of the Word of God. Also, as a Southern Baptist, I am wondering if your fifth distinctive disqualifies my congregation, since we are members of the Southern Baptist Convention. Many men have suffered and given their fortunes and their lives to hold the name in truth. Lynne While I agree with most of your comment, I would be very interested in finding where Jesus teaches about tithing in the bible. mint, rue and all manner of herbs all agricultural products from the land. Seeking to be faithful to the Word of God, the early Bible church movement sought to provide fellowship, counsel, and cooperation. I believe it is almost impossible to grow to a complete relationship with God without knowing his nature. But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. Unaccountable. One of the last acts of the Presbyterians, before the Long Parliament in England fell, was to past a law passing the death penalty on anyone who was caught holding to what they called Eight Errors in Doctrine. These doctrines included infant baptism. There are plenty of church members that disagree with the preacher on many topics. Using the KJV only is not the problem. In a biblical church the pastor is the overseers or leaders of the congregation. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. There is not one Protestant church that is doctrinally pure following the example and polity of the New Testament. God knows if he ever accepted Jesus Christ as his Saviour. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such things as evangelism. I love your statement above about The Grace economy I think Im going to have to borrow it. Yes we only use KJV (I perosnally like it better myself because I like the Shakespeareanesque vernacular versus modern but thats a personal choice). So the the issue is that there has to be a Biblical standard for dress. We have the personal presence of the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us, why would we want to follow rules that were intended for people living in the power of the flesh? The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. She eventually left because my uncle (divorced numerous times himself), rode her case about it. (My family moved alot when I was a child, and Ive attended 7 different IFB churches in 4 different statesnot all of them are same, but my current one for the last 10 years is great), I had a long response here, but I received and error. Shortly after that, Williams withdrew from the church and became what he called a seeker. History does not record why he would not identify himself as a Baptist. They left these churches because of their strong conviction the Word of God should not be compromised. Please elaborate, Should have said of course no singing with musical accompaniment.. For IFB churches, most use this as a baseline in their giving with II Cor 9:7 for guiding in the heart of giving. Jesus was prophesied in the old testament. @bob And I dont study my Bible enough and would say no one does. They were then tarred and feathered and ran out of the county. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. A tithe was to be given by Jews under law to a levitical priest and as far as I can tell, it was always a product from the land, be it animals or some sort of plant life. Examples: Billy Graham, Promise Keepers. They are guilty of not holding the Head, the Lord Jesus Christ. Shortly after the Church of England fell from grace when the English monarch was overthrown and the Presbyterians became the favored church of the state. It is well to note the Pilgrims were also Puritans, and Puritans were Protestants who had left the Church of England. After working for a few hours in our home, the Dish tech stopped working and looked at me asking, Am I correct in believing this is a Christian home I am working in? I said yes. In 1638, he landed in Boston and settled for a short time in Piscataway (now Dover) in New Hampshire. Everyone knew this was a farce. They many have been called by various names, before assemblies used the name Baptist. In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. In other areas Baptist churches were being formed about this same time. If it furthers & advances the Kingdom of God (the Church, Evangelism, Missionaries, etc), then I believe it is going to God. Giving ten percent to God is a good thing, I agree with that. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. Some of these churches have gone so far to even deny the fundamental teachings of the Bible, such as the deity of Christ, the virgin birth and salvation by the Grace of God, through faith. Please anyone readng this, go back and take a couple weeks and seriously read through the gospels again, over and over, our Lord talks about, and condemns pharisees and others for dressing up the outside and not being concerned about the inside, btw if the inside is right the outside will follow. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? True New Testament Christians have always rejected such unbiblical ideas. In 395 AD, Emperor Contantius Christianized Rome and made the worship of idols punishable by death. Examine any church in light of these five distinctive it will be shown if they are true historical Baptist congregation which is synonymous with what is a true biblical New Testament church. But still, I think if I wanted to lead Worship wearing Just a speedo I probably would not be allowed to do this in most Churches. Protestants still practice infant baptism which is not taught in the Word of God. Would you say Calvary Chapels are unbiblical and not fundamental? Im made of dirt, but God is gonna let my neighbor go to Hell because the dirt-clod next door didnt give him a Chick tract!! You said that I pulled that phrase out of context but then you went on to prove that it was in context. He records that five hundred others who were identified as Anabaptists were also killed in England during this period. WHAT IS AN INDEPENDENT FUNDAMENTAL BAPTIST CHURCH? Greg, KJV Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches in the USA . She and another church lady had this discussion and the other lady said that to her it is a bigger sin to stay in an abusive, unloving marriage such as the one my mother was in, and I agree whole heartedly. And only imagination could describe what his mind and soul was experiencing. 10 Myths About the King James Version, 68. In 1638, Williams made his way to what is now Providence, Rhode Island, and there bought some land from the Indians. By 400 AD, the Emperor Theodosius had declared Christianity the only state religion of the Roman Empire. Since there is no membership at CCs, the congregation neither votes a pastor in, nor can vote their pastor out, if necessary, unlike a Baptist church.