He's so loyal that he's willing to die for Stannis. That is lying. He finds out that Joffrey is not Robert's son, and rebels after his brother's death since he's his first heir. He's holed up in a small ice lake village seeking refuge from the harsh conditions and battling winter attrition. Second season: Lightbringer out, the whole first scene he's introduced in is a joke. But if the actor doesn't care about the show and is only in it for the money, then you deserve a horrible death. This discussion is getting long. So while the shows creators have confirmed Stannis didnt survive Briennes own form of justice in the season five finale, Stannis in the books seems, for now at least, to be fighting another day. The way Brienne is mean towards Davos and Mel does not make any sense if she actually killed Stannis. He will wright the show based on what he believes. She would still want to kill him, but it would be harder for her to do so. I think he said something like this to Ramsay: I think that besides the facts that it was nearly impossible to be any Baratheon soldiers left that were not crawling on the battle field (due to the fact that the Bolton army outnumber Stannis') and Brienne would really keep her word on this (as she always have), the main reason that makes me believe he is not alive is that there is no reason for it at all, Jon took his place well. That is another baseless assertion. It might have impact in the common folk if they ever care about it. They could have used CGI if Dillane didn't want to come back. We're given no in-show reason to believe she was distracted, and lying about something like this seems out of character for her. And when it comes to Eddard, as we know he didn't buy into Renly's shite. But the HBO series has significantly departed from the books, and surpassed much of Martin's text by the end of the fifth season. Ned Stark loved Robert Baratheon, no question. 4- Yes, even if Podrick insisted, moreI mean, how long does it take to perform a final attack? Well, I know that many events happen offscreen in the series. When it comes to burning of Mance, he did burn him in the books too - or at least he though he did It just doesn't make sense. I think he said something like this to Ramsay: Thanks to you, the false King Stannis Baratheon is dead. D&D don't like Stannis's character, they mentionned it and they proved it seeing how they handled his character. What other times she's lied, please let me in on that because I dont recall any. And she was mean to Davos and Mel because she believes they helped Stannis murder Renly. She had three older brothers, who were stillborn. View Interactive Map Stannis Barathen is the Lord of Dragonstone. A) He saw the corpse of a man he thought was Stannis As far as I am concerned, she has never said something like; "I don't feel like a Lady," or "Please don't call me a Lady, I don't feel like one." The Northern conspiracy can be happening off screen. Sometimes we don't always need to see the body. Only his corpse would. They just wanted to save killing Balon to the season where they would start the Ironborn storyline. He will wright the show based on what he believes. Maybe by the laws of those who just took the thrones, but not by the "laws of the land". Ramsay goes on to say he has captured Melisandre and Mance Rayder and he makes a number of demands of Jon, including the return of his bride and his Reek. also i would wonder why would Brienne lie about killing him??.. Do you not see the water bottle in the picture? knowing that both served him? Half the army leaving, without anyone noticing, makes no sense, especially considering that they had to sneak throughout the camp and steal the neighing horses of the other half of the army. I know whoever took over would need some royal link so the common people would "allow" it (the common people belve the power resides with the high power families). The Game of Thrones footage should excite any fan, as it involves Sansa Stark (Sophie Turner) meeting Daenerys Targaryen (Emilia Clarke) for the first time and ceding Winterfell (the Stark family home) to the Dragon Queen "Winterfell seu, sua senhoria", diz a mais velha das irms Stark Me dos Drages Dell T140 Nvme Sansa Stark has no. Ned and Stannis were both middle sons of prominent houses. In the books, they are aided by Stannis. But really anyone with royal blood could be king/queen somehow. We have no time to lose! Well, if we rewind the video a fraction of a second we see this: The banner in the right corner doesn't look familiar? You said it yourself, so, that does not even count as a point. Thats not a lie. That is a lie Brienne tells her self in order to sleep at night. Ned Stark even said to Robert (when Robert said that it should have been Ned who became king) that Robert became king since he had the better claim. In the first season I don't think there was any sort of signs for their dislike of the character. Still, she claims she got her revenge, an eye for an eye, a death for a death, that should make them even. This happened in season 2 episode 10. Season 2 was Renly Baratheon. He is the head of House Baratheon of Dragonstone, Lord of Dragonstone, Master of Ships on Robert's Small Council, younger brother of King Robert I Baratheon, and older brother of Lord Renly Baratheon. They were from Essos, where the R'hllor religion is prominent. Just checked, the men are chanting "halfman" when Tyrion leads them to battle through the Mudgate. Here. Season 5 would have to be Stannis, and Season 6 could be Tommen though I figure it's already been Balon Greyjoy, and Tommen might be next season. Being in the same room for 3 years playing almost all your scenes in it isn't the kind of role you would want to play, or understand. Robert Baratheon was never the rightful king when he took it In an inside the episode; I'm pretty sure it's this one. Instead he had to play the staunch Stannis Baratheon who seemed to only lose and lose and lose on Game of Thrones over the years. D&D don't like Stannis's character, they mentionned it Just out of curiosity, where/when have they mentioned this? She lied to Davos and Mel because she wanted to mislead them and make them suffer.". If she did, she should have asked Stannis about it. I'd want to see him take up the nights watch if anything. The problem is Stannis is a character some hate. Thats not a lie. I think something may have distracted her when she swung her sword towards Stannis. (Assuming there were not any soldiers to help him). It seems that they are killing a king every season, so I'd argue Stannis would have had to die to continue that trend. "And I'm the horse." "So it's the bastard your sleeping with." Tyrion didn't look at her. Yeah, and it's Dumb&Dumber we are talking about here. There's no snow in your picture He not being what she expected is not a valid point to argue if you stop and think about it. It makes perfect sense to me. Robert was a direct, trueborn descendant of Aegon Tar. The actor (Stephen Dillane) even said in an interview couple months ago that he was never really a big fan of GoT, and that doesn't sound like the talk of someone who still has a contract. No, it was Roose Bolton who talked about Stannis Baratheon's death. Not if Podrik insist her to hurry after Sansa. Perfect as for an adaptation. Season 3, Mlisandre goes to the brotherhood without Banner. Get the horses! (Assuming there were not any soldiers to help him). Yes I can clearly imagine what you described on your early comment, I understand you, I really do, but Great Brienne was there mate, Stannis was given, believing he is alive is not only speculation but also a really bad bet. In series none of that happened.. Melisandre is a red priestess of R'hllor and a shadowbinder, hailing from the city of Asshai in the Further East of Essos. I do not believe that she would have panicked on the first place. Well, Benioff's interpretation is still valid. Of course there are people devoted to him and people who understand him, but relatively speaking, when the rightful heir doesn't get the stronger support in the first place compared to his younger brother, there is something wrong. If she said she killed him, she did exactly that. What he thinks happened is what happened. Does it matter that Stephen Dillane doesn't care about the show as long as he preforms excellently? Another Stannis-related thing from the books is the retaking of Deepwood Motte. Third season: Balon is still alive, yet Stannis wants to burn his nephew. That is in fact impossible, so you need evidence that she doesn't lie. Someone serving Stannis does not mean they were involved in Renly's killing. At Comic-Con on Friday, the director of the episode came out with it. knowing that both served him? To her, Renly was the true king, so she's not lying. What comes to Lightbringer, I'd say it's just case of the show more or less ditching the whole idea - I would guess there won't be "real" Lightbringer in the show at all, so having a fake one would've been kinda pointless. Probably a picture of older seasons. Benioff is wrong on this. We heard from Asha/Yara Greyjoy in episode 2 that the Glovers had retaken the Castle. It is definitely in her character to lie. Why would she get more bitter after they are "even"? Succession doesnt happen how it should a lot of the time. There is a water bottle there It's fake. The Mannis upstair is too hairy to be him. It seems that they are killing a king every season He admitted that "I did" kill Renly, not "we did". Brienne would really keep her word on this. There were released pictures of her in the riverland for example. The young daughter of Stannis and Selyse Baratheon was played by Kerry Ingram and appeared in three seasons of the HBO fantasy drama. And in return I give you truth. To rally the north in rebellion against the Boltons of course. There is not always snow on the ground in the north. whoever takes the thrones is the rightful king But does Davos love Stannis? Stannis Baratheon is a major character in the A Song of Ice and Fire book series and its TV adaptation Game of Thrones. As I said, I don't think him not showing love would mean that he doesn't love and care. Sansa is in Danger! I find the show to be thrilling, but it lacks too much of what makes the books so great. 4.2- Something BIG would have to hindered her on that case mate, and you DO talk about something big, but it is all speculation. Me too :^). Third season: Balon is still alive, yet Stannis wants to burn his nephew. Well, she was expected in the show more, so no one seeked her. It may be even more difficult to do it a second time, after she gets Sansa on her mind. Her father is the head of House Baratheon of Dragonstone and has declared himself King of the Andals and the First Men. It would be weird. I haven't really seen you consider that Brienne could also not be lying. I can not remember that Baratheon soldiers ever was around a wooden hut in the older seasons. As far as I am concerned, she has never said something like; "I don't feel like a Lady," or "Please don't call me a Lady, I don't feel like one." Want to bookmark your favourite articles and stories to read or reference later? "Coming soooooo close to avenging Renly, but ending up having to let Stannis go. I honestly don't think he isn't aware of it. The reason she looked "bitter" to you is because she wanted to told them that right on their faces. He is cold, doesn't really show love, but imo it doesn't mean that he doesn't care. But if you don't have heart to read it I won't blame you. In the books, Stannis is alive and is still married. Get the horses! nothing definitive has been said yet about Jon Snow's fate, HBO New Releases 2022: What to Watch on HBO Now. I mentioned a reason: "Coming soooooo close to avenging Renly, but ending up having to let Stannis go. And she claims she got her revenge. It was always Sannis she mentioned she wanted to take revenge on, an, oever takes the thrones is the rightful king, I dont know why everyone bleats on about it. I meant that she only wanted Stannis ex-followers to felt the same way she did when Renly was Dead and there was nothing that she could do. (HBO) Stannis's ruthless decision to burn his daughter Shireen to death, as a sacrifice to the Lord of Light, is a point of no return for his character and seemingly a major change from the. And she was mean to Davos and Mel because she believes they helped Stannis murder Renly. I dont know why everyone bleats on about it. 4.2- Brienne's behavior was not weird mate, she knows for sure that The Red Woman and the Onion Knight were involved in Renly's murder. Also, in the second trailer for season 6, at about 01:24 into the video, we get a little sneak peak at what appears to be the great battle between the Boltons and the Northern rebels allied with the Wildlings. Well, everyone knew it was a lie. It sure sounds plausible. Yes I can clearly imagine what you described on your early comment, I understand you, I really do, but Great Brienne was there mate, Stannis was given, believing he is alive is not only speculation but also a really bad bet. Stephen Dillane doesn't play Stannis because he wants to; he does it because it is his right. She's so mean to Melissandre and Davos because she knew that they had a hand in Renly's murder. I think Balon staying alive has more to do with how they decided to do the Ironborn storyline than anything with Stannis. he was exactly the same (sorry to break it up for you). The last time fans Game of Thrones saw him, he was about to be killed by Brienne of Tarth. Which was Robert Baratheon. But what would be the point to do the northern conspiracy in s6 and what was the point of his S5's arc? Most of them won't care as long as they get their money, and those who care probably knows that the Boltons are worse and need to be stopped. It was always Sannis she mentioned she wanted to take revenge on, and only Stannis. She may have felt some difficulty in killing Stannis, but as I said earlier, it would not be enough to spare him on it's own. Stannis is the second-born son of Steffon Baratheon and Cassana Baratheon, the younger brother of the late King Robert Baratheonand older brother of Renly Baratheon. 1) Stannis is a stickler for grammar He was merely in the background during Lord Commander Jon Snow 's announcement of the plans to go to Hardhome in the episode "Kill the Boy." The brothers of. And she was mean to Davos and Mel because she believes they helped Stannis murder Renly. Stannis I Baratheon was King of Westeros and Lord of the Seven Kingdoms after claiming the throne during the War of Five Kings, re-instating the Baratheons as the ruling dynasty. This article contains SPOILERS for House of the Dragon's season 1 finale and George R.R. I only meant that she knows they were involved, please, have not you seen how she looked at them? However, his throne has been usurped by the Baratheons of Kings Landing, bastards born of incest between Cersei and Ser Jaime Lannister, the Kingslayer. It would make her more hesitant and perhaps she would feel a little guilty. Why would he do it if not aware of the true nature of Rattleshirt? 2- Agreed. You have to come quick! What this means for the onscreen version of Stannis is unclear. He will wright the show based on what he believes. The way she killed the unarmed soldier was pretty messed up, but if I remember right they did awful things to the bodies that Brienne found and she might have felt it was justice that way. I like the idea of him coming back, but this is GOT we are typing about, he is dead for sure, That is my final bet. GRRM wouldn't since his list is good seeing the series. He is the younger brother of Robert Baratheon and the elder brother of Renly Baratheon. GRRM mentionned the dead in the series and he talked about Stannis while he didn't mention about Jon Snow. In the first season I don't think there was any sort of signs for their dislike of the character. 4.2- No, it is not about a face. I don't buy that. That is singular, not plural. A sufficient amount of people have confidently told him that Stannis is dead. Third season: Balon is still alive, yet Stannis wants to burn his nephew. Brienne mentionned she killed him, she has no reason to lie and she just go to Davos with sword unreleased to mention her "glorious" deed. We have to go Now! In the first season I don't think there was any sort of signs for their dislike of the character. Yeah, D&D like Jon much better than Stannis, so I could see them giving Stannis' story to Jon in the show. you keep talking about how good of a man Stannis was on his final moments (for me, he was always humble, always a leader, always intelligent more, always brave) That does not make any sense if she killed him. Plus, he's still alive in the books. There's been a saying that no corpse = still alive. She lied to Davos and Mel because she wanted to mislead them and make them suffer." 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