The Soltam K6 is a 120 mm (4.75 inch) mortar that was developed by Soltam Systems of Israel. The Soltam K6 is a 120 mm (4.75 inch) mortar that was developed by Soltam Systems of Israel. If we get 500 APC versions with 50 cal we can buy 100 Ambulance modules , 50 Brimstone modules, 30 mortar modules, etc at a later date or even at the same date. And Russians took note. He also works for the NHS. Had not realized the scum sucking, slimeball NKs could join the party. Dern General consensus is that 76mm is marginal for NGFS. Correct mate to my knowledge but as things shape up in future, knowing what we now know due to Ukraine, and the understanding that NATO needs to re-invigorate itself, a 120mm would be NATO standard, and quite cheap for the capability it brings. Operating on a 4 men crew, the MTC's primary weapon is the ST Kinetics 120mm Super Rapid Advanced Mortar System (SRAMS), the world's first recoiled mortar to incorporate a blast diffuser,[14] greatly reducing the blast overpressure effect generated by mortars, thus allowing longer periods of firing without injuring the crew. Following a bumpy launch week that saw frequent server trouble and bloated player queues, Blizzard has announced that over 25 million Overwatch 2 players have logged on in its first 10 days. The NEMO can be fitted to most APCs and also to smaller landing craft, such as the Finnish Jurmo-class landing craft or Hadnt considered their utility in targeting reverse slope positions. This kind of thing may be another route? In 1992, they received from USA 200 M113A2 APC, 25 M106A1 mortar carrier, 10 M577A1 command and control vehicles and 16 M548A1 cargo carriers. Discover all the collections by Givenchy for women, men & kids and browse the maison's history and heritage George is on Twitter at @geoallison, Comments may automatically be held for moderation by our team, they will be approved as soon as possible in accordance with our. Despite guided weapons Did they go for the platform in the end? L16 81mm Mortar: Mortar: 81mm United Kingdom: Built under license with the ordnance by Howa. In 500 initial order there are less than 100 that go to infantry. The army has much bigger fish to fry than finding a 100% bespokeRead more . The weapon can be fired either by dropping the round down the tube (after aligning of the rifling bands) resulting in an automatic firing once the bomb hits the tube base, or by a controlled firing by dropping the bomb down the tube and pulling on a lanyard that will in turn set off the triggering mechanism in the base of the tube. [5][6][7] Training simulators are also available. It is in service in 5 armies and is currently being integrated in the new French Scorpion GRIFFON wheeled vehicle (MEPAC). The Brimstone variant could fill that role in part Obviously not going to sink a major warship but could do serious damage to landing / raiding craft or corvette / FAC. Development began in 1985. Only if it gets a decent gun . Based on the TDA 2R2M (Rifled Recoiled Mounted Mortar) in French service, it is a fully automated mortar capable of using rifled or ), dont waste on development costs when its already made by someone. Without the artillery shield, the Russians seem to be very ponderous with effective defensive, though they have proven rather adaptRead more , Thanks for projecting possible scenarios. Missing the rationale of dedicating aRead more , Principally it can get large amounts of fire power closer to where its needed. A 120mm mortar wouldnt fit with crew and ammunition in the back of a Toyota Land Cruiser. [5] The full EFSS was introduced in 2009, consisting of two light vehicles, one towing the mortar and the other an ammunition trailer, that fit inside an MV-22 or CH-53E Super Stallion; an EFSS battery is made up of roughly 50 Marines. If you want NEMO, just buy from the manufacturer, it will be a niche product only required in smallish numbers (50-60? And I also neglected to mention the 81mm has similar fuze options but less reliable and effective in the air burst! The Bronco has a load carrying capacity of up to 5 tonnes and is capable of a top speed of 60km/h (37mph) on the road and at least 25km/h (16mph) on cross-country terrain. A precision-guided munition (PGM, smart weapon, smart munition, smart bomb) is a guided munition intended to precisely hit a specific target, to minimize collateral damage and increase lethality against intended targets. Tested armor must withstand three hits, spaced 120mm (4.72") apart, of the designated test threat with no more than 25mm of back-face deformation in I think we should retain 81mm (Infantry crewed) and introduce 120mm mortar and would take soundings as to whether that were infantry or RA crewed (I favour the former). The Soltam K6 is a 120mm (4.75 inch) mortar that was developed by Soltam Systems of Israel. The integrated system demonstrated the BOXER vehicle, the Mortar Mission Module, a fully-automated aiming capability and the Mortar Weapon System (MWS) which has been developed by Rheinmetall Norway. Almost certainly. Got to agree with you mate. The CARDOM Aiming mechanisms are linked to state-of-the-art command, control and communication systems, to achieve quick response automatic laying mode. Id hate to agree to disagree, but. Once delivered to the UK, contractor Thales fitted the vehicles according to MoD specifications with Bowman communications systems, specialist electronic counter-measure equipment and extra protective armour including bar armour, protected seats for occupants at their facility in the former MoD depot at Llangennech near Llanelli, South Wales. Of course, youre right, I thought Id seen that style. They exist but we are not buying them, and as I said elsewhere, getting rid of 20 odd boxers mortar variants, and then going through the procurement of an alternate vehicle that will need to do the same job, would not release enough funds to buy fighty IFV Boxer variants. With Boxer you decideRead more . Hi Ian, at this point it will be difficult to tell. From an unloaded condition, the weapon is capable of loading, completing a firing solution, aiming, and firing the first round within 18 seconds of receiving an order. I therefore imagine NEMO is the same. What we will be initially getting are the 4 variants shown at the top of this diagram. Discover all the collections by Givenchy for women, men & kids and browse the maison's history and heritage Supposed kill radius planning is 35M and 60m respectively but will depend on the ground and terrain. Typically HE, 10 rounds/minute (max); 6 rounds/minute (sustained), This page was last edited on 14 May 2022, at 11:57. MKEK produces the "Mod 209 High-Explosive (HE) bomb" ammunition for this.[3]. The Bronco's four-sprocket drive, fully articulated steering with optional differential lock provides for small turning radius manoeuvres and improved performance. Raytheon planned to add semi-active laser (SAL) guidance to PERM rounds to enable them to hit moving targets. The Manned Ground Vehicles (MGV) was a family of lighter and more transportable ground vehicles developed by BAE Systems and General Dynamics as part of the U.S. Army's Future Combat Systems (FCS) program. AMS was intended to provide organic heavy mortar support for infantry units. A precision-guided munition (PGM, smart weapon, smart munition, smart bomb) is a guided munition intended to precisely hit a specific target, to minimize collateral damage and increase lethality against intended targets. The mortar carrier (MCV-B) entered service in August 2005. Thanks Dern. Russia stopped closing to us in less than 5 kilometers., Putin has just signed another decree allowing the option in the future to mobilise over a million Ruskie rapist, looting murders to join the ranks of the great unwashed ork horde. 76mm equates to around 14 pound shell weight. The 57mm equates to the old 6 pounder. 2S12 is in fact the designator for the combination of the 2B11 "Sani" heavy mortar with its transport vehicle 2F510, a GAZ-66-15 44 truck. At the DSEI 2017 exhibit, ST Kinetics announced that the Bronco 3 has been fully developed and a static model was made available. Does everything need to be on boxer? Amos Records, an independent record label established in Los Angeles, California, in 1968; Amos (band), an American Christian rock band Amos, an album by Michael Ray; Amos, a 1985 American made-for-television drama film; People and religious figures. I would have thought as the footprint of the vehicle is identical in either case and the size difference for ammo isnt going to be massively different, that you would always prefer bigger, if you are lopping explosives at an enemy position. "The holding will call into question many other regulations that protect consumers with respect to credit cards, bank accounts, mortgage loans, debt collection, credit reports, and identity theft," tweeted Chris Peterson, a former enforcement attorney at the CFPB who is now a law It was crewed throughout its use in Afghanistan by soldiers exclusively from the Royal Armoured Corps. Thats the whole mantra of the Boxer system. So does the 40mm/L70. And its those modules which set it apart, with limited budgets why sit on whole fleets of dedicated vehicles when youRead more . It was relatively light weight being based on the FV432 I believe. And there be the question fingers crossed. Mobile view; Developers; Statistics; In many instances with smaller mortars they have been replaced by ATGW like Javelin which can be used to attack entrenched positions. Simpler than the turreted Patria NEMO, and I guess a bit less swish, but likely cheaper and easier to implement. Additionally, they carry the 81mm M252 mortar that can only be used in a dismounted capacity. Designed to traverse difficult terrain, the Bronco has a ground pressure of 60kPa and is fitted with heavy-duty seamless rubber tracks and a running gear system for soft ground conditions and directional stability. The $68.7 billion Activision Blizzard acquisition is key to Microsofts mobile gaming plans. Mind you, getting the 120 mortar in to service with the Rheinmetall offering will likely be cheaper and quicker. This has 1 MWD Reg ( N Luffenham ) correctly in 8 FE Bde, but as reserve, though it is a regular Regiment at present with 2 reserve MWD Squadrons. The version that is mounted on the M1064 and M1129 mortar carriers is known as the M121. So the 2 shown with 25 CSG, one will be 21 RERead more . This is not a comparable outlay to two dozen mortar carriers. Not necessarily cheap, but not hard. I dont actually mind towed 120mm. Question is though, why? Fair one mate, the point being, Warrior had support vehicles based on other platforms, as putting everything on to Warrior was too expensive. Youre probably right about the 81mm thing though, bit of a shame there, In my opinion, if you are going for SP 120mm it needs to be capable of direct fire. Unless more money is found for alternatives. Heres a crazy idea (wont be liked by some of my Inf comrades) keep the 81mm for 16 BCT and 3 Cdo BCT in the PARA/Cdo Battalions and give 7RHA and 29 Reg a Bty x 8 of 120mm Motars on light vehicles. The Lockheed AC-130 gunship is a heavily armed, long-endurance, ground-attack variant of the C-130 Hercules transport, fixed-wing aircraft.It carries a wide array of ground-attack weapons that are integrated with sophisticated sensors, navigation, and fire-control systems.Unlike other modern military fixed-wing aircraft, the AC-130 relies on visual targeting. 80 some thing infantry section vehicles and over around C2. Cant understand it myself., Oh your being sensible and then mentioning Army head sheds, which, do not go together in a conversation at allrather a mucky trench, than a very weird, dangerous and confined sub thingy.. Yes, it can be broken down into parts. The Dragon Fire 120mm heavy mortar was designed and produced by the French company TDA Armaments, a subsidiary of Thales, and picked up by the US Marine Corps for its EFSS (Expeditionary Fire Support System) requirement. We operate 81mm now and have large stocks of it. This isnt Tomorrow Never Dies. At least that way those lads would stay dry! The MTC has a built-in Automatic Fire Control System (AFCS) comprising a Fire Control Unit and an inertial navigation system, allowing it to conduct immediate deployment without conventional surveying methods. [4], In December 2008, ST Kinetics was awarded a 150 million single source contract by the British Ministry of Defence for over 100 Bronco All Terrain Tracked Carriers for use in Afghanistan under an Urgent Operational Requirement (UOR). The 120 mm Gun M1 was the United States Army's standard super-heavy anti-aircraft gun during World War II and the Korean War, complementing the smaller and more mobile M2 90 mm gun in service. Accurate as can be expected as controlled by an MFC as part (nowadays) of the FST. Using electrical servo motors the mortar barrel is then set at the exact traverse and elevation angles ready for firing. My mistake, I believe the US use 120mm for armoured and Stryker units. You have 5 Boxers Running Gear ( chassis ) and you have one turreted version armed to the teeth with missiles , sensors etc which cost you 8m just for the module and 4 APC modules. If the lads in Army want to have a better fire rate, they can also get AMOS, 26 rounds per minute sustained, 5-10 of them at once would be formidable. Suitable for bothRead more . Im more concerned about getting a 120mm into service, and if it has the features the Boxer variant has Im not going to argue. Id seen a picture of a round before and as a guess I thought those extra charges were instead added on weights to shorten the range. Dj plus de 15 millions d'utilisateurs ! The Mortar System itself has also been demonstrated on light and medium vehicles enabling fleet wide commonality and reducing training and support burden.. While changing from the Mk 8 to more NATO standard 5 is a natural progression, the 57mm does suggest a change in role, and hasnt Army doctrine already changed twice in the last three years? I suspect youd find theyd be in RA Batteries rather than within infantry battalions, but you never know, might be a conops for using them in mechanised/armoured formations? The M120 is transported on the M1100 Trailer by the M998 Humvee. So the option for the lighter forces would be maybe to have the mortar mounted more along the lines of the NTGS ALAKRAN with the baseplate lowered onto the ground for firing or there is also the Spear 2 which is described as a Light Mortar Carrier (LMC)? However, the missile has its limits, chiefly range. Add in inevitable mechanical breakdowns or even normal servicing. Genuine question (not joking): why one of these is better than say 20x Toyota Land Cruisers each with a motor wedged in the back? The M1 gun was used by the Army for air defense from 1944 to 1960, Microsoft is quietly building an Xbox mobile platform and store. Ideas? Hi Dern, Yeh, the L118 and L119 guns are very good. Right. Suppose you can. Thats its UK developed and now UK made is a positive position as shows defence is a job creater. If you want a light tank/ tank destroyer version, already available (MGS version with 105mm gun turret). 81mm is close support for light line infantry. Which when found gets taken out by MLRS, HIMRS, FH70 etc. Are you sure that Inf carrying Boxers will only be APCs ie no cannon? Isnt that part of the USP of Boxer ? Next thing is when I see a mortar round how much of it is used up for firing and how much of it is the explosive bang part. If Konsberg can design a module to fit on an Australian Bushmaster utility vehicle for NSM, doing the same for Boxer should be more than doable. *Edit* ALSO remember that the Boxer we are buying is not and IFV, its an APC. Mate, mortars in association with a 7.62mm gimpy are the backbone of a UK infantry company. WR only had 432 for mortar and ambulance roles, because the beancounters wouldnt fund a full set of WR. I think they (the Ruskies) will go over to the defensive over the winter and hide behind massed ranks of artillery to keep the Ukrainians at bay and then prepare these hordes for a renewed spring offensive. The system provides accurate and effective fire support. NEMO (from "NEw MOrtar") is a single barrelled 120 mm remote-controlled mortar turret currently being developed by Patria Land Oy in Finland.It is a lighter version of the AMOS mortar system, which has been in use within the Finnish Defence Forces since 2013. Last time the UK had a heavy mortar was 4.2 in WW2 to the late 1950s. The K6 entered service with the United States Army in 1991 as the M120 Mortar System. Company of line infantry would comprise 3 Rifle Platoons. In some cases 120mm might be overkill. It is the long-range version of the Soltam K5[1] and has replaced older systems, such as the 107-millimetre (4.2in) M30, in several armies including the United States Army. Yeh, I think that would be a good idea. Following successful testing, the Marine Corps initiated a Requirement Document for an Expeditionary Fire Support System (EFSS) to fill the gap in the availability of supporting fire for the initial air-delivered elements of an expeditionary operation. Always thought some sort of quad bike & trailer would be more portable, faster, easier to conceal and lob a score or two 120mms where needed. In fact, knowing UK procurement I suspect buying 20 bespoke mortar carriers would end up being more expensive than buying 20 Boxer Mortar modules. The US Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory (MCWL) started a Concept Demonstrator project in 1997. An improved version is known as the K6A3. The Manned Ground Vehicles (MGV) was a family of lighter and more transportable ground vehicles developed by BAE Systems and General Dynamics as part of the U.S. Army's Future Combat Systems (FCS) program. I assume your taking man portable/weight reasons, as cant see why mountain or jungle warfare would impact using a smaller ammo for a vehicle lauched system, unless Im missing something. Yes, I know the ordered infantry carriers are just that, expensive taxis,by fighty vehicles, I mean actual IVFs and the like, my bad English. Krasnopol projectiles are fired mainly from Soviet self-propelled howitzers such as the 2S3 It directs revenues to regulatory costs, homelessness programs, and nonparticipating tribes. As a last attempt to use this system, it was converted to become a full-time LAV mortar system for the Marine Corps. Total of 462 purchased from 1990-2017. Over the next months opposition to the Dragon Fire II and to MCWL's involvement in long-term experimentation increased. Heres hoping. 2014-2021 UK Defence Journal, all rights reserved. If you think a 81mm mortar is 20% of the solution and that boxer as opposed to a bespoke vehicle is 80% of the price (at 30 odd vehicles) I have news for you. My point is that we have some 15-16 battalions of infantry that we should be putting in armoured vehicles of some form or another. The Marine Corps acquisition program performed a shoot-off of the prototype mortar rounds developed by Raytheon and ATK. If you visit the UK Land Power website, there is an article on Modern mortar systems submitted by a Finnish army officer I believe its a good read. Granted it wont be able to knock out a MBT in the direct fire mode. [5], The Dragon Fire II in its LAV-M configuration, 2009[7], This was the first configuration of the Dragon Fire, using the TDA (France) upper portion of the 2R2M mortar system. We shouldnt be aiming to repeat past procurement failures. Ultimately, the design team picked parts of the French Thomson-Daimler Armements (TDA) experimental 2R2M mortar because it had a usable power driven traverse and elevation in addition to a loading system. In the ideal world you would have different mission modules fitted around the world. If youve got 10 APC and 10 Brimstone ones in the field and a Brimstone breaks down, and its more important to you than the APC ones, an hour to take an APC module off and replace with a Brimstone module gets you the Brimstone one operational again. If the army is going Boxer then the Boxer Battalions need to be on Boxer. Hi Airborne, Are you suggesting a SP 105 gun or something else, a dismountable gun carried on a light vehicle perhaps? I assume Im general it is about cost given even the US army choose 81mm, probably for commonality. Forgter the 81mm, leave that light role (not light jumping out of a Herc with the bloody baseplate on your bergan) and concentrate on the 120mm. Apparently the Indian Ary still use a few of them. And imagine the brew volume inside a 120mm greenie.. Is NEMO better than this? [5] The vehicles, known as Warthog in British service, supplemented the similar BvS 10 Viking vehicles operating in southern Afghanistan by the British military,[6] and was procured as part of a 700 million package of Urgent Operational Requirements (UORs) announced by Defence Secretary John Hutton. The last Warthog Group came from C (the Duke of Edinburgh) Squadron, the Queen's Royal Hussars. Personally, Im kind of disappointed and was hoping for something like Mjolner which I understand uses standard mortar ammo. If you have a mix in the field you only need a crane or jacks to move a module. The blurb talks about being able to find targets and engage them with multiple rounds quickly etc. )), Hotchkiss Brandt (Netherlands) as the "HB Ray". Land mines & ieds are more likely to take out the chassis than the module. As well as the mounted mortar, the vehicle carries a second mortar which must be unloaded before firing. Though a MBT may shrug it off, not much else will & your house definitely wont. The VTM 120 also carries 70 rounds for the mortar and offers basic ballistic protection from small arms fire and shrapnel for the crew. It would also mean we would have to operate two types as 120mm would probably be too heavy for Para and RM. High angle capability and short range as required. Showing the limits of short range weapons, Havrylov pointed to the Javelin surface-to-air(My note, should be anti tank missile), shoulder-fired missile as an example. Jane's military guide has reported that British Warthog vehicles will be transformed to serve as transporter vehicles for Thales Watchkeeper UAV manned by 32nd Regiment Royal Artillery and 47th Regiment Royal Artillery under the Army 2020 concept. Are we going to see more modules than vehicles? . 40 mm CTA turret with Brimstone box launcher next, please! I do think the bullet will have to be bitten somewhere in the near future though and there will undoubtedly be pushback with the range of 105 compared to the current 120mm and also the fact the US have just built a light tank with one mounted on it, so the ammo may have anRead more , Their are a number of scenarios where a mortar is better than a 105 and the opposite! Its about time we used automatic systems in 120mm for armoured regiments leave the 81mm for the dismounted light infantry, George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval and cyber security matters and has appeared on national radio and television to discuss current events. Deliveries began in the third quarter of 2009 and finished in 2010.[7][8]. If you buy a cheaper non-modular APC or IFV , whichever version breaks down is broken down. Thats why defense companies have been taking the initiative to design their own modules and sell at a competitive price rather than expect the mod to fund a 5 year R&D program, 5 years of testing and then 5 years on manufacture BS we have seen with warrior and Ajax. With the cold war now morphed into hot war by Russian Dictator Tyrant Putin. Ajax, even if they eventually make it work gives you what exactly? If we did go back on strike it would however be extremely useful.
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